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Thursday, April  28th 2005 - revisited

Years pass one at a time. But they do accumulate! How vividly I remember making my first trip across the pond back in 2005, fifteen years ago. Upon entering the Columbia University campus I remember feeling a bit like Tom Hanks' character in "The Terminal" undertaking a long trip for a seemingly trivial hobby or interest... One of the best on-the-fly decisions I ever made!

West 87th Street Irregular Arthur VidroWest 87th Irregular publishes the thrice yearly detective magazine (Give Me That) Old-Time Detection, several issues of which have been devoted in their entirety to the works of Queen. Arthur was instrumental behind the scenes in the publication of Crippen and Landru's Ellery Queen volumes, The Tragedy of Errors and The Adventure of the Murdered Moths.

Arthur recently suggested that I should (re)publish his report on the symposium. It's with great pleasure that I do so. It’s perfect for inclusion on this site!

15 years have passed since this event took place. As things go when looking back on such events, we also can reflect back for a moment on those who aren't here anymore, such as Ed Hoch who passed away in 2008, and Dorothy Salisbury Davis who left us in 2014. Both are mentioned in Arthur's report, below. The latter is featured in his report with an especially funny anecdote (which Arthur describes perfectly).

How I wish I would have known everyone in the room then as well as I do now... A common interest which has led to so much more...

                                      Kurt Sercu - August 2020

“The Ellery Queen Centenary Symposium: HAPPY 100th BIRTHDAY, MAESTRO!”

Columbia University's Butler Library on Thursday, April 28th, [2005,] played host to a 100th birthday bash for Ellery Queen. The Queen stories were collaborations of Frederic Dannay and Manny Lee, a pair of first cousins born in Brooklyn, New York in 1905.

Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine, which organized the party and sent out the invitations (though the symposium was open to the public, for free), set a 12:30 start time.

About sixty people were seated by then in a small, hot, crowded room, including
Old-Time Detection readers Douglas Greene, Ted Hertel, Charles Shibuk, and Steven SteinbockWest 87th Irregular.

A representative from Columbia greeted the attendees, informed us of where the special Ellery Queen exhibit was set up (near the permanent archives of Dannay's papers and of Cornell Woolrich's papers), and introduced the first speaker, Steven SteinbockWest 87th Irregular.

Steve explained about Ellery Queen the fictional character, Ellery Queen the author, Ellery Queen the anthologist, Ellery Queen the scholar, Ellery Queen the editor... all this while more people arrived, waving to and joining those already seated.
By now there were seventy attendees, including young children, some of them in an overflow room in the rear.

          Steve Steinbock. Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel
Above: Steve SteinbockWest 87th Irregular reminded us of Columbia's connection to the Queens. Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel

Steve reminded us of Columbia's connection to the Queens. The school back in 1932 invited Queen to be a guest lecturer -- before it or the world knew that Queen was two people. That invitation led to the authors donning masks to speak, one as
Ellery Queen and the other as Barnaby Ross (another pseudonym of the cousins for a short-lived but high-quality detective series featuring a deaf retired actor).

Steve introduced Richard Dannay, Fred Dannay's second son, who spoke about growing up in the household of a writer and book collector.
"The postman was a member of our family, virtually."

Fred Dannay's library, housed on a level above the garage, grew so heavy that the floor buckled. Fred's two greatest passions, excluding mysteries, were poetry and book-collecting. Fred believed that "poets are detectives and therefore detectives are poets."

Indeed, Richard stated: "
If he could have made a living as a poet, that's what he would have done."

The two keys to understanding Fred, he said, are the Queen-edited anthologies
Poetic Justice (1967) and The Literature of Crime (1950).

       Richard Dannay spoke about growing up in the household. Photo courtesy of Ted HertelSarah Caldwell spoke about her grandfather.  Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel
Left: Richard Dannay spoke about growing up in the household of a writer and book collector. Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel
Right: Sarah Caldwell spoke about her grandfather. Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel

Sarah Caldwell, the only member of the Lee family present, spoke about her grandfather. Manny Lee's library was housed in a whole separate cottage on the author's Roxbury, Connecticut estate. Manny was a violinist and collector of 78-rpm record albums.

Sarah then played a tape recording of her mother, Manny's daughter Patricia Caldwell, speaking from California.

Patricia related a memory from her own mother (the first Mrs. Manny Lee), giving a new slant on how Ellery Queen got his name. The "Ellery" part had long been decided on, named after a boyhood friend of Fred's. But the last name... one night in 1928, during the time they were writing the first EQ book, The Roman Hat Mystery (1929), Fred and Manny were playing cards, probably bridge, when they started looking at the picture cards. Then it hit them. Their brainy sleuth should be christened Ellery King! Before the evening was up, they changed their minds and settled on the Queen.

Patricia drew much laughter when she speculated that the selection of the Queen name may have occurred when the two cousins debated, non-stop over an entire weekend, on whether infinity is finite. (It seems Dannay and Lee found much to disagree on.)

According to the taped Patricia, Manny Lee felt the "most important thing about being a writer is being observant."

Sarah then read a paper from her uncle Rand Lee, a son of Manny Lee. Rand spoke of Manny's love of language. Sarah summed up by saying the cousins' "fiery" relationship probably spurred them to the pursuit of excellence.

Then came a panel discussion titled "Ellery Queen: Sleuth of Many Faces," dealing, naturally enough, with Ellery Queen the detective and the Queen books. The panel comprised Marc Dolan, Doug Greene, Edward D. Hoch, Ted Hertel, and moderator B.J. Rahn.

Panel (L to R) : Marc Dolan, Ed Hoch, B.J.Rahn, Doug Greene, and Ted Hertel - Photo courtesy of Steven Steinbock.
Panel (L to R) : Marc Dolan, Ed Hoch, B.J.Rahn, Doug Greene, and Ted Hertel. Photo courtesy of Steven SteinbockWest 87th Irregular.

Rahn quickly outlined the four periods of Queen to the learned audience, with reminders of what made each period unique: Period I, 1929-1935; Period II, 1936-1939; Period III, 1942-1958; Period IV, 1963-1971.

Rahn asked the panelists for their favorite Queen books, admitting that she got lost when reading The Greek Coffin Mystery  (1932), because of its great number of hypotheses and clues.

In Period I, said Ted Hertel, the point of the books was the puzzle. Hoch said he has read Greek Coffin at least twice but has gone back to re-read its solution many more times.

Nobody disagreed when he said EQ's greatest period was the third.

Period III started with Calamity Town (1942) in which Ellery first goes to Wrightsville. Hertel said he thinks the Queens brought Ellery to the small New England town of Wrightsville, in part, so the authors could rely on Ellery's grey cells instead of the advancing scientific methods of the big cities.

Dolan, who teaches at John Jay College and assigns Queen's Cat of Many Tails  (1949) to as many graduate students as possible, says one can make the case that Ellery brings all the troubles to Wrightsville with him. Also the idea that logic is invincible is a trap for Ellery.

Dolan posited that logic no longer was  enough. Sure, it solved everything decades earlier for Jacques Futrelle and Carolyn Wells (he quipped, "First time in my life I'm in a room of people who know who Fleming Stone is"); but the strict use of logic could lead to unhappy or thoroughly strange endings such as, he said, the concluding stories of the collections The Curious Mr. Tarrant  (1935) by C. Daly King and Clues of the Caribbees (1929) by T.S. Stribling.

Ted Hertel spoke about the fictitious J.J.McC, who introduced the earlier Queen books, and about the retired Ellery who J.J. described.

           The ever amiable Ed Hoch.  Photo courtesy of Ted HertelTed Hertel said the point of the books was the puzzle.Photo courtesy of Steven Steinbock.
Left: The ever amiable Ed Hoch! Photo courtesy of Steven SteinbockWest 87th Irregular.
Right: Ted Hertel said
the point of the books was the puzzle. Photo courtesy of Steven SteinbockWest 87th Irregular.

Hoch reasoned that the early Queen books were introduced by J.J.McC because the early Philo Vance stories had been introduced by S.S. VanD(ine). Hoch then spoke critically about each of the Queen short-story collections; he thinks
The Adventures of Ellery Queen (1934)  and The New Adventures of Ellery Queen (1940) are "landmark" collections; he much prefers Queen's longer short stories. He also spoke of Paula Paris, Ellery's casual date in some of those short tales. He said the length requirements of the various magazines to which the Queens were submitting might have proven limiting.

Doug Greene spoke about the Queens' radio output -- "The Adventures of Ellery Queen" ran on radio fairly steadily from 1939 to 1948. The radio scripts required much imagination... every week!

                  Doug Greene spoke about the Queens' radio output. Photo courtesy of Steven Steinbock.
Above: Doug Greene spoke about the Queens' radio output
Photo courtesy of Steven Steinbock
West 87th Irregular.

"It's extraordinary how good so many of the plays are." Greene added that "these two men knew how to promote," using the radio show to promote their books (giving Queen books, on the air, to guests of the radio show) and using Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine to promote the radio show (by printing radio scripts in the magazine).

Hoch proved the point. At the tender age of nine, he bought and read his first adult book, Queen's The Chinese Orange Mystery (1934). He chose it over all others on the drug-store book rack because he had tuned in to the Ellery Queen radio show.

Hertel told how the Queens promoted their first book by writing anonymous letters to editors of newspapers, protesting that Mr. Queen was alerting potential killers to the existence of a new poison.

The panel discussed the cousins' penchant for having the victim turn out to be the villain. "They repeated it so often," said Greene. "Was something driving them to say something? Maybe, anyone who is villainous can also be a victim; anyone who is a victim can also be villainous..."

The final panel, "Queen of All Trades: Editor, Teacher, Critic, Scholar," comprised Lawrence Block, Otto Penzler, Joan Richter, Dorothy Salisbury Davis, and moderator Mike Barr.

Mrs. Davis was the most memorable of the panelists, perhaps because her memories of Ellery Queen went back half a century. She first appeared in Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine in 1952.

Now, having just turned 89 years old, she had trouble hearing her fellow panelists, and she cautioned the audience, "Listen carefully to what I have to say to you -- because a lot of it may not be true." She's sharp enough not to trust her memory in its entirety. Her recollections were a bit haphazard, disjointed, but charming. When Davis considered collaborating with writer Lucy Freeman, Fred Dannay warned her on the perils of collaboration.

Part of the second panel Lawrence Block, Dorothy Salisbury Davis, and moderator Mike Barr. Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel
Above:  Part of the second panel Lawrence Block, Dorothy Salisbury Davis, and moderator Mike Barr. Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel.
Below: Other members of the panel, next to Mike Barr, (L to R) Joan Richter and Otto Penzler, with Sarah Caldwell watching. Photo courtesy of Kurt Sercu
Other members of the panel, next to Mike Barr, (L to R) Joan Richter and Otto Penzler, with Sarah Caldwell watching. Photo courtesy of Kurt Sercu

Davis visited the Dannay house often, starting in the 1950s. She remembered Fred's sons Douglas and Richard being there. Now, fifty years later, she gazed with a slightly puzzled look into the front row at the Dannay brothers, now youthful senior citizens. With perfect comedic timing and deadpan phrasing, she addressed the brothers: "
You've changed."  (It brought down the house.)

She remembered forty years ago being with Dannay, John Dickson Carr, Clayton Rawson, Lillian de la Torre, and Ed Radin when they conducted re-enactment experiments in quest of the truth behind the Lizzie Borden case, with Fred Dannay holding a stopwatch and timing certain doings.

Davis believes Fred was cautious in his political comments and highly protective of his magazine. She didn't know Manny Lee nearly as well as she knew Fred Dannay.

Likewise the other panelists. Joan Richter, first published in Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine in 1962, met Dannay when she took an adult-ed writing course taught by him when she and Fred both lived in Westchester County (New York State). She and Davis spoke of the pleasure of receiving phone calls from Dannay after he had read their submissions and wished to discuss their stories.

Larry Block, perhaps because he started submitting to Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine in the late 1970s, when Fred Dannay was in his seventies and Manny Lee was already dead, didn't work as closely with Ellery Queen the editor. He just sent his stories in and EQMM published them. "For someone who was so respectful of a writer's work," said Block, "Fred had no respect for a writer's titles," often changing them.

Otto Penzler explained how Queen's Quorum, a Queen-written short-story guide, was influential in transforming him into a mystery collector. Penzler recalled visiting the Dannay house and examining Fred's copy of The French Powder Mystery (1930), in the incredibly rare dust jacket. It's the only first-edition dust jacket of that volume he's ever seen. (When Fred died and the family took inventory, the book had no jacket. That jacket is the holy grail among avid Queen collectors. Nobody has one.)

Penzler spoke of another talent of Queen. "Fred was the first great -- and is still by far the greatest -- anthologist that ever lived. His introductions were so learned and so beautifully written that you had to go on and read the book."

One such introduction appeared in Queen's 101 Years' Entertainment (1941), considered by many scholars the best mystery anthology ever.

Mike Barr, an accomplished writer in comic books, spoke of becoming an Ellery Queen fan in September 1967 (he remembered the exact month!) when he read the first Queen book, The Roman Hat Mystery. He called it "talmudic fiction" wherein every clue means something vital. Those earliest Queen books featured young Ellery making super-complex deductions not unlike the way talmudic scholars in Judaism might mine their holy books for clues and insights.

Barr brought up the topic of paperback original novels that came out (from 1961-1972) under the Queen name but were not written by the Queens and did not have Ellery in them. He believes these were a source of friction between the Queens.

Barr spoke of the 1975/1976 television season when Jim Hutton portrayed Ellery. Barr said he spoke to Hutton at the time, and that Hutton knew the Queen stories and origins but declined Barr's suggestion to phone Fred Dannay for advice or guidance on playing Ellery.

That led someone to ask what involvement Fred Dannay had with the Jim Hutton version of the Ellery Queen show. Richard Dannay summed up his father's involvement: "He watched every episode."

Richard then recalled how, a half-century ago, he had written his own Bar-Mitzvah speech. But then, "a night or two before the event my father got hold of it and completely re-wrote it... I don't remember if he changed the title."

(L to R) Doug Greene, Richard Dannay and Marc Dolan listening intensely to a question from the public. Photo courtesy of Kurt Sercu.
Above:  (L to R) Doug Greene, Richard Dannay and Marc Dolan listening intentely. Photo courtesy of Dale C. AndrewsWest 87th Irregular.

The panel ended, the crowd started to thin out, people eager to hear more nevertheless needed to stretch. But just a half-minute later began the final portion of the symposium.

Francis Nevins, the scholar who has done the most research into Ellery Queen (and, for that matter, into Cornell Woolrich), spoke solo to the audience on "Fatal Fusion: Uniting Their Separate Talents."

 Mike Nevins spoke solo to the audience - Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel
Left: Mike NevinsWest 87th Irregular spoke solo to the audience. Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel
Right: Mike in full stride. Photo courtesy of Kurt Sercu

West 87th Irregular focused on the process of collaboration between the Queens.  With just a few exceptions -- for instance, Nevins said the excellent short story "The Dauphin's Doll" is the only Queen tale completely written and plotted by Manny Lee alone -- each of the Queen works was the product of both Dannay and Lee, and to try to remove either from the equation would leave us with no body of Ellery Queen work worth commemorating.

Their process was simple in theory though difficult to execute: "They collaborated by combat."

The Queens tried every possible way to collaborate and eventually -- we don't know just when, but almost certainly by 1940 -- found their preferred method: Fred Dannay would create extremely detailed, plot-rich outlines explaining the clues, characters, events, motives, some of the dialogue -- all told, accounting for (from various estimates) perhaps 25% of the wordage of the finished novel; Manny Lee would execute the outline, put meat on the bones, work out each incident, provide the descriptive prose, and add the bulk of the dialogue. Which is not to say that the lines separating what one Queen did from what the other Queen did were never blurred or crossed. There could be a lot of give and take, or a lot of disagreement.

Nevins has read the Dannay-Lee correspondence (housed at Columbia) and the Manny Lee-Anthony Boucher correspondence (housed at Indiana University) to learn as much as he could about the cousins' workings.

Nevins believes a key to understanding Fred Dannay is The Golden Summer (1953), written under Fred's birth name of Daniel Nathan. Nevins calls this an auto-biographical novel, with its main character, little Danny Nathan, master manipulator and scheming entrepreneur, showing many of the traits of the brilliant early Ellery Queen.

The Queens' partnership was not always harmonious. Letters in the separate archives show the duo had numerous disagreements, emotionally charged and long-lasting. "What most people would shrug off as water off a duck," said Nevins, "these two would take as mortal insults."

Nevins read aloud some of the Queens' more vitriolic letters to each other. The authors' true views toward each other, he speculated, we'll probably never know; he said the only comparison he could think of for such a combative partnership is that of the George and Martha lead characters in Edward Albee's play Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?

"Isn't it amazing," he summed up, "that these guys could collaborate for forty years?"

Yet collaborate they did. So much so that today, 77 years after they began their Queenly work at the age of 23, we honor their memory, their talent, their legacy.

In the words of Nevins, these two very human cousins, Fred Dannay and Manny Lee, "created magic for forty years, and most of that magic can be reduced to two words -- Ellery Queen."


Arthur VidroWest 87th Irregular (Summer 2005 - Old-Time Detection)

© Original text 2005 Arthur VidroWest 87th Irregular Used by permission
All photos courtesy of Ted Hertel, Steven Steinbock
West 87th Irregular, Dale C. AndrewsWest 87th Irregular & Kurt Sercu.

Reception afterwards - Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel
Above: Reception afterwards. Photo courtesy of Ted Hertel

Reception afterwards. Photo courtesy of Kurt Sercu
Above & below: Photos courtesy of Kurt Sercu
Below: Douglas Dannay and Ted Hertel signing copies of Ellery Queen's "The Tragedy of Errors"


In Memoriam: Douglas Dannay, 07/3/1933 – 06/17/2022

"On June 17, 2022, Douglas Dannay died in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Born July 3, 1933, Doug was the eldest son of Frederic Dannay, who, together with his cousin Manfred B. Lee, wrote the Ellery Queen novels and stories and founded EQMM. I did not know Doug at all well, as he lived, until his retirement, in Merrick, Long Island, not in New York City where the magazine was based, and he was often unable to attend EQMM events. However, the limited contact I had with Doug left me with two strong impressions: that he was very intelligent and that he was extremely modest. ... "

Click here to read on at the EQMM blog .

I've met Douglas on April 28th 2005 at the Ellery Queen Centenary Symposium in New York. I remember being nervous as to how people, especially family members, would react to a fan from the EQ website flying all the way from Belgium for the New York City event. Accompanied by a new-found friend, Dale C. AndrewsWest 87th Irregular (who I previously knew only through email correspondence), I made my way to the symposium comprised of Ellery Queen devotees...

I brought along my copy of "The Tragedy of Errors," the centennial collection by Ellery Queen published by Crippen & Landru, hoping to collect some autographs from the authors of the various essays contained in the anthology. One of the first to graciously agree to sign the book was Douglas. He immediately put me at ease with his kind words. When he signed my copy he wrote "Thank you for coming all that distance & for keeping the memory alive - Douglas Dannay".

It was only later that I found out Douglas actually was a gifted teacher. No surprise to me, he was the sort of teacher we all remember as making a difference in our lives.

The signed EQ book has a prominent place in my book case. After all those years it still has a permanent bookmarker marking the page of Douglas’s inscription.

My sincere condolences to family and friends.


Above: The signed EQ book has a prominent place in my book case. After all those years it still holds a "permanent" bookmarker to find the page.


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